thoughts on guardian breeds from Esquire Caucasian Ovcharka Mountain Dogs
Pretty often I receive calls and emails from people who want to get a puppy from me for breeding.99% of these people never heard about this breed and never met in person.or cant even spell the name breed correctly.many are willing to crossbreed, and so many are not willing to promote and preserve the breed. Some people purchased dogs from overseas but either have not legit paperwork, no health testing or either.I do believe that breeding of this serious ancient breed is not for newcomers.
Please see table about types of breeders
Central asian shepherd,Tobet,Alabai, alabai..what are they?
what is pure turkmanistan breed central asian shepherd?
it's dog who was breed in a kennel with ONLY TURKMEN BLOOD.Turkmenistan ist country in central Asia.so Turkmen bloodline dog its a dog from this area.
such kennel contains only thoroughbred Turkmen Alabai. All puppies were obtained as a result of breeding only within the group of tested imported Turkmen blood and their descendants. Infusion of the blood of dogs of cultural breeding is excluded.
how they got bred?
Breeding work of the kennel is based on the method of linear breeding. The main objective of this method is to obtain descendants with pronounced features of the legendary ancestor - the ancestor of the line.
The dog who considered as Turkman bloodline is described by pedigree where All dogs are the nearest descendants of aborigines, taken directly from Turkmenistan (from the second to the fifth tribe).
There are very few breeds In the world that were formed as natural, Turkmen Alabai is one of those few breeds that has reached our days in its almost original form. The brutal selection over several millennia has created a breed that meets the needs and character of man, it was created to help people in their work and all of their centuries- this breed deserved the right to its worthy preservation.
Please pay attention to the old photos of dogs of Central Asian descent. These dogs are not super known to many, they can not be considered as best example of breed, but pay attention to their type of constitution. And now open the photo catalogs of the latest exhibitions and look at the type of constitution of the winners of the CAO or dogs who imported or bred and judged by weight and heights only?. Do you see the difference ?! Most of the modern dogs are completely different from the original material of dogs in Central Asia! What is happening now at kennels with the commercial direction of breeding causes irreparable damage to the CAO breed. Gigantomania, saggy skin, wrinkled faces, friability, not functionality, weak immune system, weak nervous system ... is not a complete list of the characteristic features of modern CAO.
Friends, a huge request to all breeders - stop "improving" the breed, just try to keep it in its original form! And our descendants will be grateful to you.
My first central asian shepherd was Chingiz, my stepdad(who died on Jan 6 2018)presented me this pup in 1994. On January 4 2018 we have litter delivered from Aya and Safar.Aya have same great great great grandparent as it was the grandparent of my 1st dog Chingiz. and here new Chingiz was born, 24 years after. New pup Chingiz is copy of my first dog.
Here collage of pictures with Chingiz and Chingiz jr
I see many advertising about LEGENDARY central asain shepherds, who re mostly oversized dog of shady origin. Truly legendary dogs are working old lines who were known for exceptional work at their land and producing generations of wonderful examples of breed. legendary not mean just fighting dogs or dogs who re over 200 lbs:)...its misused word to sell some mixed breeds!
This is an interesting article with an interview to a person who created new breed in Chelyabinsk(city in Russia),article dated 2008.The title of it : Person from Chelyabinsk created new kind of Caucasian dog.Then article describe how he mixed dif kinds of dogs and breeds,co(caucasian dogs) and and cas(central asians) and called this result as Grigorievs volkodaws(Grigoriev is his family name)...since none want to buy dogs with no papers and no official recognition ,he (using his connections with government levels) got his dog a pedigree as central asian. Right now grandkids of this so call cas are in new york area,Midwest(Chicago area) and more places, sold and bred as CAS.The dog name from artickle is Sultan Zherimbet is Nikolskoy roshi. he never been a Central asian shepherd dog. so if you see Sultan name as legendary CAS,it scam..and pups can be considered as pure Central asians as same as so-called pitbull Hulk in USA considered a pure pitbull....while he has not pit dogs in his pedigree on mom n dad sides
here this dog in database-mentioned as CAS-he can be compared to pitbull Hulk...but even with less percentage of CAS blood in him...
text of the article in Russian https://www.chel.kp.ru/daily/24046/101196/
The head of a three-year Caucasian wolfhound named Sultan the size of a TV set. one bite with such teeth and result is a broken wolf's back.
Sultan does not look especially at people. To strangers does not fit at all. To what it is to him. Yes, they-people themselves shun him! But on those who feed him and walks, the dog looks condescending: they say, come, I authorize. And only his host, Sergei Grigoriev, meets in a special way. Twists his tail like a helicopter propeller.
By the spacious yard where the record holder lives, two fluffy madness-two teenage puppies-rush to and fro. The dog does not drive away the fry, only grumbles at them kindly.
Wherever the Sultan appeared, his head would be twisted: well, the dog!
"You can, of course, even feed him up to 120 kilos of it," Grigoriev says. "But then the speed of reaction will disappear." And now he is in great shape, with ease in the test sparring defeats the strongest opponents. His first victory in dog fight - the title of champion of the Urals - Sultan took immediately and do not intend to give: not yet in the country of the same huge and strong "Caucasians."
The breeding of the Central Asian sheep-dogs, known as wolfhounds, Sergey did not even think to do. he says:Eight years ago I bought a puppy for myself. So brave dogs became the main passion of his life. Studying the ancient breed, Grigoryev traveled all over the Caucasus, met with local famous breeders and experts.
"Since time immemorial, wolfhounds have lived side by side with man, and no one is better guarding the flocks of sheep, like these dogs," he says. - Gray predators they feel for a mile, fearlessly rush to the wolves and tear. Without "Caucasians" in the mountains, sheep breeding is the oldest occupation of local people.
Sergei shoveled tons of special literature, collected and wrote down the opinions of recognized specialists on the possibilities of breeding. Experimented, crossing, for example, a lean tall bitch and a heavy powerful male. The mother's lightness and father's strength are transmitted to the offspring. And puppies always work out even better than parents.
There was even such an expression: "Grigorievsky type of breed". In just eight years, the Chelyabinsk Grigoriev, far from the foothills of the Caucasus, has excelled in improving the breed. Now he does not buy puppies from aborigen folks - they come to the South Urals and admire the Grigoriev dogs. And he have more than 30 dogs.
A large dog needs space: a booth with a fragrant hay inside, a snow creaking in the frost under the paws, sharp smells of smoke and pine branches exhilarating the wet nose. "Caucasians" Grigoriev now live on private farmsteads of his friends and in his home in the Nagaibag district. But over time, he will have a large nursery, where there is enough space for all his favorites.
Sergei Grigoriev bought the first puppy only eight years ago. And today the dog breeders already have such an expression: "Grigorievsky type of breed".
I want to use a quote from USA breeder of other famous rare LSGD(live stock guardian dog) Komondor.
this is what she said and I'm 100% agree on it:
`` I am a huge believer in purebred dogs - of any sort. The LGD breeds were developed over centuries with very specific and strict criteria used. Just because nomadic folks didn't keep written records doesn't mean the didn't have a goal in mind. Producing these multitudes of mutts is getting no one anywhere. It muddies the genetics, produces unpredictability and is exponentially increasing the numbers of dogs/puppies in shelters, rescue and plain old shot. I believe folks, especially newcomers, should work with responsible breeders who support their dogs, have years of experience (or a mentor who does), make efforts to breed only the best examples of their breed and every effort to produce healthy puppies.``
Historically, these dogs were bred for working roles, such as protecting stock from predators- 4 legged and 2 legged, guarding property and owners.. Once a big sized dog, their popularity as guard dogs resulted in them being bred for a bigger size and heavyweight, also bigger head.. The resulting changes to the breed’s physical characteristics have now impacted on the health and overall look of central asian shepherd dog.
this is link to funny video where someone met central asain shepherds in woods,with drunk owner.dog is giant and even this dog have horrible rear end,cow hocks and look deformed from back view,its still powerful enough to pull his owner in to bushes
breeding dog just for color or size is unethical.Yes I met big size CAS dogs who did have good conformation, but in general it were dogs not over 32 inches.